#mIRC Drama.

At this time, #mIRC was no longer the official help channel. It used to be. Therefore, when it is set +i, it prevents all regular users from joining. This is the case where when mass proxies join the channel, the founder, Cobra^, temporarily sets +i, kicks them out, but excess floods, before setting -i again.

It is this that when channel operators are not there, that the regular users join the network's administration channel, #spiderslair, requesting a network operator or above, to remove it.

There are 2 opposing viewpoints, that #mIRC being no longer an official channel, is not in the hands of network operators, therefore, they do not touch the channel's modes.

Is it okay for a network operator to set the channel -i if he or she is not a registered channel operator there? Of course, the right person has to do it. But does that include the network administrator?

Chapter 0: #Mirc
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 09:00:58 PM] * Cobra^ sets mode: +im
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 09:00:58 PM] * Cobra^ (Cobra@=0Nlxw-704-392-945-930.woh.rr.com) Quit (Excess flood)
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 09:01:27 PM] * Cobra^ (Cobra@=Hepvy-601-156-824-704.woh.rr.com) has joined #mirc
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 09:01:28 PM] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Cobra^
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 09:55:27 PM] * chris01 (pachew@=yqq329-007.nv.iinet.net.au) has joined #mirc
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 09:55:28 PM] * ChanServ sets mode: +o chris01
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 10:39:55 PM] * eric^ (eric_@=Frrrxdgb-4.225.164.35.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) has joined #mirc
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 10:39:55 PM] * ChanServ sets mode: +o eric^
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 10:49:19 PM] <c0ldfusi0n> eric
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 10:49:48 PM] <c0ldfusi0n> HaMiLToN5
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 10:49:49 PM] <c0ldfusi0n> Cobra^
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 10:49:50 PM] <c0ldfusi0n> eric^
[April 08, 2004 Thursday 10:53:57 PM] * Tabatha sets mode: -im

The voice operator, C0ldfusi0n, is not a channel operator, so he could not remove the channel's +i. He was calling every channel operator's name so someone can be there to set -i. C0ldfusi0n, whom couldn't find any active op (he was a VOp) got a hold of Tabatha and Tabatha set -im from outside the channel. Why? Because she did it from the kindness of her heart.

Rougly 2 days later, another attack on proxies come join #mIRC, Cobra^ sets +im, excess floods, etc. Thus, leaving the channel +im.

Next chapter, Gyest60231 = me.

Chapter 1: #Help.Mirc
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:33:38 PM] <Guest60231> Why does #mirc have +i?
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:33:59 PM] <Stealth`Warrior> dunno
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:34:10 PM] <Stealth`Warrior> could just been flooded, give it a min
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:35:24 PM] <fleshTH> cobra excess flooded
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:35:31 PM] <fleshTH> it's been like that for about 30mins
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:35:35 PM] <Stealth`Warrior> lol
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:35:39 PM] <fleshTH> i'm trying to get someone to undo it
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:35:46 PM] <Stealth`Warrior> wake up basicer
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:35:51 PM] <fleshTH> tried
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:36:00 PM] <Stealth`Warrior> (this is one reason y #mirc needs more staff)
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:36:11 PM] <Guest60231> Happened last week.
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:36:11 PM] <fleshTH> yeah
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:36:14 PM] <Guest60231> Oz got Tabatha.
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:36:32 PM] <fleshTH> #php and #mIRC got hit
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:36:34 PM] <Stealth`Warrior> tabs isnt on

Chapter 2: #Spidersair
[r][12:36] «fleshTH» well, aren't u guys able to join the channel, then op urself
[r][12:37] «fleshTH» unset the modes
[r][12:37] «Mougly» are we able to? Yes
[r][12:37] «Mougly» do we? no
[r][12:37] «fleshTH» i beg to differ, maybe you don't. but i know some do
[r][12:38] «Mougly» there shouldnt be any oper setting channel modes in this situation
[r][12:41] «fleshTH» dude, thats bogus
[r][12:41] «Mougly» dude, that's "reality"
[r][12:42] «fleshTH» either way you look at it, it's not reality
[r][12:42] «Mougly» it seems real enough to you
[r][12:42] «fleshTH» but i don't call it reality
[r][12:43] «fleshTH» i'll just find someone else who can do ur job better

I could see FleshTH was failing, so I tried to help him.

#Help.Mirc
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:50:14 PM] <Guest60231> Tell him that Tabatha did.
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:50:17 PM] <Guest60231> She -im
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:50:21 PM] <Guest60231> From outside the channel.
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:50:56 PM] <Guest60231> They can do it from outside the channel without opping themselves.
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 10:51:05 PM] <Stealth`Warrior> fleshTH, its worthless, and dont fight with Mougly, ull just get a kline

MajYyk is one of the nicer network administrators.

#Spiderslair
[@][12:58] «MajYyk» its against our rules
[@][12:59] «MajYyk» i like being a manager i dont like being fired
[r][12:59] «fleshTH» given the holiday weekend, knowing that it maybe be dealth with for a few days
[r][12:59] «fleshTH» don't tell anyone
[r][12:59] «fleshTH» i won't
[r][01:00] «fleshTH» well, i know of an oper who does it. and nothing has happened to them
[@][01:00] «MajYyk» then wait for him to come back
[r][01:00] «fleshTH» what part of easter weekend isn't working here, more than likly they won't be on

Chapter 3: #Help.Mirc
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:24:29 PM] * Westminster (Shan@219.95.197.Q8361=) has joined #help.mirc
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:24:42 PM] <Westminster> hi... anyone can help ??
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:25:08 PM] <Westminster> i got drones list in my notepad
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:25:31 PM] <Westminster> and... i want kick on:join
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:25:48 PM] <Westminster> not using $read
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:26:02 PM] <Westminster> coz... its too many nicks in notepad
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:26:13 PM] <Westminster> so.. i think i want to use $hfind
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:26:18 PM] <Westminster> can u help me ??
-
[April 10, 2004 Saturday 11:27:13 PM] * Westminster (Shan@219.95.197.Q8361=) Quit (QUIT: User exited)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

#Spiderslair
[r][01:21] «Westminster» i need help with mirc
[r][01:22] «Westminster» but the channel
[r][01:22] «Westminster» [14:22] #mirc unable to join channel (invite only)
[r][01:22] «Mougly» try #help.mirc
[r][01:27] «fleshTH» sorry, i wasn't able to help westminster due to the fact i was looking for someone else to -im #help.mIRC
››› mode has been set to +o for Mougly by ChanServ
[r][01:27] «fleshTH» ya know, sine no one will
«ßÂÑ» Mougly has set mode: +b *!*blahblah@=u81-1jdkt20-58.nas26.oakbrook1.il.us.da.qwest.net in #spiderslair
«KICK» fleshTH has been kicked from #spiderslair by Mougly (Dont start again) 01:28

Chapter 4:

What to do next..? Well, sometimes years from this, I wondered why I had Tabatha on my notify list, and now I remembered.

[01:28] * Tabatha is on IRC #spiderslair
[01:31] <Tabatha> nincompoop ?? whats up
[01:32] <nincompoop> earlier this evening, #mIRC was attacked by a proxy flooder, unfortunatly, Cobra's script +im'ed the channel just before flooding off. Do you think you can -im #mIRC for us please?
[01:32] <Mougly> oh stop
[01:32] <Tabatha> sure can
[01:32] <Mougly> Im sick of that channel
[01:32] <Tabatha> ack
[01:32] <Tabatha> ok lol

Chapter 5:
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:39:00 AM] #mirc unable to join channel (too many channels open)

Then the doors opened! Thank you, Tabatha!

#mIRC was set -im, and it seemed the story was going to end at that, but I figured something was missing, and I ask Stealth^Warrior to do something and he did. Why? Because this is just IRC, we don't give a crap about what happens, nothing has to matter, and we didn't give a **** about consequences. So what did we do? We woke Mougly up.

Chapter 6: #Spiderslair
[01:39] <nincompoop> ty Tabatha for the -im on #mIRC
[01:39] <Tabatha> I have just memo'd cobra nincompoop he needs to fix his script
[01:39] <nincompoop> ok
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:40:57 AM] <nincompoop> [01:40] <Mougly> uummmmm
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:40:57 AM] <nincompoop> [01:40] <Mougly> we what?
[01:41] <nincompoop> Oh yes, ty to Mougly for completly ignoring and blowing us off, it was greatly NOT appreciated
[01:41] <Mougly> we do NOT change modes in user owned channel nincompoop
[01:41] <Mougly> you and your pals have had that explained to you severa times
[01:42] <nincompoop> Tabatha did :)
[01:42] <nincompoop> i never come in here unprepared for some webnet oper BS
[01:43] <Mougly> BS?
[01:43] <nincompoop> yep
[01:41] «Tabatha» looks like I am in the shit hold pls
[01:43] * mirage sets mode: +b *!*@=BUymzegj8-ng37-0-06-309-368.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net
[01:43] <Mougly> so you dont mind if I change modes in your channel randomly when you are not around and without your permission?
[01:43] * You were kicked from #spiderslair by mirage (k uve been helped .. thanks for stoping by.) Kick ID: 768
[01:44] -> -Mougly- Actually, if it is for the benifeit of my channel, YES!

Well, we did our efforts and got Tabatha to set #mIRC -im regardless of what crap some of us had to go to to get that done.

Chapter 7:

Next thing you want to do is thank the administrator for doing something that not all of them would. So this, is, an example of, IRC-op discretion.

[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:30 AM] * Tabatha (TheWitch@203.214.130.HE908=) has joined #help.mirc
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:33 AM] <Guest60231> Hi Tabatha.
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:36 AM] <Guest60231> Tabatha.
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:38 AM] <nincompoop> hello Tabatha
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:40 AM] <Guest60231> No matter what happens.
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:41 AM] <Johnson2> hi
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:44 AM] <Guest60231> You're our hero.
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:48 AM] <Tabatha> Evening
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:48:51 AM] <mafyas> hi Tabatha
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:49:02 AM] <mafyas> welcome Tabatha
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:49:15 AM] <nincompoop> Tabatha, may i PM you?
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:49:21 AM] <Guest60231> Me too. :/
[April 11, 2004 Sunday 01:49:21 AM] <Tabatha> Looks like I walksed into a time bomb zone

And as later as Tabatha says, she will no longer be setting #mIRC -i from now on. Darn..

After this, you can tell there are 2 results possible. One of them has to listen to the other one. The possibilities are:

A.Mougly as an EC member overrides Tabatha. Tabatha now listens to Mougly and will no longer set channel modes.

Or.

B.Tabatha as network administrator does not listen to Mougly and thus changes the policy so she can admins below her can do this as well.

Take a wild guess what the answer is.....

The answer is A.

Part 2: A year later..

Note from the previous, the whole thing took place mainly on April 10, 2005. But did things get better a year later?

#spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:56:35 PM] * subbawt (huhu@=s8qhrtiw-7.225.175.186.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) has joined #spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:57:18 PM] * TravisK (fatkakes@=s8gfhr-5krxezk.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:57:35 PM] * xplay (ayen@=TAriwxjz2.ucsd.edu) has joined #spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:57:39 PM] AssalamualaikumX
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:57:42 PM] #mirc unable to join channel (invite only), better go tell mark, he will have to take the channel back from these loosers
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:57:43 PM] ws
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:57:48 PM] kthx
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:57:53 PM] * MisKin^giRL^bOrEd (erm@60.48.67.uE814=) has left #spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:09 PM] * riddler (butter@=oaygt0244523922zkq.columbus.in.indy.comcast.net) has joined #spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:13 PM] #mirc unable to join channel (invite only), better go tell mark, he will have to take the channel back from these loosers
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:14 PM] why is #mirc +i
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:20 PM] ya ns
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:20 PM] TravisK - this is such a dead topic - drop it
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:25 PM] soooo
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:27 PM] o.O
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:34 PM] why is #mirc +i i need to get in for some help
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:45 PM] stop
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:45 PM] mirc is plus +i, the supposed rason mark took it in the first place
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:50 PM] stop
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:51 PM] obviously it cant be +i
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:51 PM] * YahooHelper slaps riddler around a bit with a large trout
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:52 PM] did you try #help.mirc?
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:55 PM] so go in there and -i it
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:58:56 PM] thx
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:01 PM] wtf
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:05 PM] screw #help.mirc
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:05 PM] why did this malay slap me
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:07 PM] lol
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:18 PM] i dont like to be slapped
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:28 PM] lol
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:31 PM] * TravisK (fatkakes@=s8gfhr-5krxezk.cable.mindspring.com) Quit (Kill by Mougly!Nobody@oper.webchat.org (STOP already))
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:36 PM] only slappin i do is on your momma YahooHelper :\
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:40 PM] ...
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:42 PM] * riddler (butter@=oaygt0244523922zkq.columbus.in.indy.comcast.net) Quit (Kill by Mougly!Nobody@oper.webchat.org (STOP already))
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:43 PM] * TravisK (fatkakes@=s8gfhr-5krxezk.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:50 PM] you stfu and stop it already
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:55 PM] * cosy (user@203.188.11.Mo969=) has joined #spiderslair
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:56 PM] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Mougly
[April 16, 2005 Saturday 11:59:58 PM] all your abusive ircops and thier bs excuses
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:00:01 AM] TravisK, please knock it off.
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:00:03 AM] ******* hyprocrits
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:00:03 AM] * Mougly sets mode: +b *!*fatkakes@=s8gfhr-5krxezk.cable.mindspring.com
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:00:04 AM] * ChanServ sets mode: -b Maks*!*@*
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:00:05 AM] * TravisK was kicked by Mougly (LAMER-B-GONE® The all purpose channel cleaner.)
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:00:17 AM] hehe LAMER-B-GONE
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:00:42 AM] * JakeSaway is now known as JakeS
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:01:08 AM] lol
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:01:23 AM] * Mag[skin] (Aok@218.208.201.ju675=) has left #spiderslair
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:01:37 AM] * HaydaR (KELEBEK605@=lrdme80-270-60551.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) has left #spiderslair
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:01:55 AM] * Mougly sets mode: -o Mougly
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:35 AM] * Bricker (GMBrickerM@=9nionj-58-13-812-24.res.east.verizon.net) has joined #spiderslair
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:39 AM] * TravisK (fatkakes@=gHbi85-837-784-77.lf.br.cox.net) has joined #spiderslair
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:44 AM] fuker...
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:47 AM] okies
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:47 AM] TravisK
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:48 AM] lol
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:48 AM] thq
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:49 AM] manes ?
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:57 AM] manes
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:02:59 AM] stfu malay
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:03:00 AM] * TravisK (fatkakes@=gHbi85-837-784-77.lf.br.cox.net) Quit (Kill by OperServ (Your address is not allowed on this network. [AKILL ID: "\cQA0AZBnJMQLDYO^"]))
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:03:00 AM] can I have an invite into #mirc
[April 17, 2005 Sunday 12:03:00 AM] ?

* Cobra^ (scottkisga@=rXdz09-133-84-316.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #spiderslair
isnt #mirc supposed to be public?
i mean
ya but thier lame
havnt we had enough drama over that channel already?
they can suck my **** tho
kthx
and scottk
too
thq
lol
* Cobra^ (scottkisga@=rXdz09-133-84-316.dc.dc.cox.net) Quit (You are Banned from this network. Your address is not allowed on this network. [AKILL ID: "\cQA0AZBnJMQZTYO^"]).

sooo...can someone at least tell me why i cant get an invite to #mirc since its +i?
wb Johnson2
tq
because its +i and you aint an op
oooo....but wasnt it supposed to be public? i mean isnt that why dave took it over because its jst a big channel, its in channel list...i mean...its supposed to be here for the users right? well im a user
* Cobra^ (scottkisga@=ffk-95-16-583-09.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #spiderslair
cocksuckers...
Cobra^ - enjoy your ignorace, buckwheat!
lol
so why exactly is #mirc +i all of a sudden?
* Cobra^ (scottkisga@=ffk-95-16-583-09.hsd1.il.comcast.net) Quit (You are banned from this network. Your address is not allowed on this network. [AKILL ID: "\cQA0AZBnJMQjDYO^"])
because it is
because it's under attack from idiots
some of them were in here
haha, why not just freeze his nicks
so kick the idiots and let the cool people on?
some of them are not any more
we're working on it
...man is it that hard?
enough already
i mean...most of the Opers/Admins have enough experience with killing dont u? i wouldnt think it would be that hard
enough of what? im not being abusing or haness
im jst being civil and asking questions
jeez
enough already
enough of what Mougly?
* Mougly sets mode: +b *!*MBrickerM@=9nionj-58-13-812-24.res.east.verizon.net
* Bricker was kicked by Mougly (LAMER-B-GONE® The all purpose channel cleaner.)

So.. All this for nothing? No.

#mIRC
[23:48:11] * Joins: ScottK (scottk@oper.webchat.org) - IRCop - Clone #4 (Press F4 to scan)
[23:48:22] WHY IS THIS CHANNEL +i?
[23:48:23] * eric^ sets mode: +b *!*scottk@*.webchat.org
[23:48:23] * Ban *!*scottk@*.webchat.org affects this user: ScottK
[23:48:30] haha
[23:48:30] * ScottK sets mode: +o ScottK
[23:48:45] You want to do that, eric?
[23:48:48] abuse :P /samode
[23:48:55] easy
[23:48:58] sup ScottK
[23:48:59] pm me please
[23:49:02] YOU easy
[23:49:04] Talon, that wasnt even a samode :P
[23:49:22] * eric^ sets mode: -b *!*scottk@*.webchat.org
[23:49:22] that appeared to be a straight /mode

So what did you see right here? "One" of the 2 active administratorss came to the channel to help. That's a 50% probability right there. ScottK went in there and got #mIRC -i. Why did only 1 administrator take care of the issue? And what if there were only 1 administrator active? Surely half of 1 administrator won't come (unless the 2 agreed in private that only 1 of them will join #mIRC and take care of the issue).

Just because ScottK didn't "like" TravisK and friends doesn't mean he doesn't have to go to #mIRC to -i, now, did he? Just because he hated them doesn't mean he can't answer their priviledges. So they were trouble makers. But they still have the equal privileges as non-trouble makers.

And this is the thing I stress about, wanting the right administrators at the right times.